Fanview: August 23, 2016

Joe T.

Joe T…Mets are going to the playoffs!

By Joe Torosian

“If Relationship George walks through this door, he will kill Independent George. A George divided against itself cannot stand!”—George Costanza

Kick it!

Right off the Top: The saying of “Loud Mouth Soup” refers to alcohol, but by and large beer.


Oh, I’ve always been a Jim Jakeway fan!


"This book has been such a breath of fresh air. Reminding me why I sit on bleachers and what a community is all about. Most importantly what high school football is all about. I read the book 3 times." "Anyone who has a kid trying out for his High School football team needs to read this book. Torosian has taken his 20 some years of reporting on Prep sports, mixed a healthy dose of San Gabriel Valley insider references and created a very readable first effort." "A page turner...I'm sorry it's over! Is a sequel in the works?" "Torosian does for high school football what Hemingway did for the Spanish Civil War...compelling look beyond the scoreboard and into the lives of players..." "A truly great story unfolds in the pages of Joe Torosian's first novel. With high school football at its core, the story of Dale Andrade shows how a young man grows in all aspects of his life thanks to being a part of a team and a football community." “This is a great read for everyone: from those who love high school football to those who have no idea about the game.” "This book brings you onto the field and into the locker room..." Joe Torosian's high school football novel is available through --click pic-- (Cover by Pat Cherry

“This book has been such a breath of fresh air. Reminding me why I sit on bleachers and what a community is all about. Most importantly what high school football is all about. I read the book 3 times.”
“Anyone who has a kid trying out for his High School football team needs to read this book. Torosian has taken his 20 some years of reporting on Prep sports, mixed a healthy dose of San Gabriel Valley insider references and created a very readable first effort.”
“A page turner…I’m sorry it’s over! Is a sequel in the works?”
“Torosian does for high school football what Hemingway did for the Spanish Civil War…compelling look beyond the scoreboard and into the lives of players…”
“A truly great story unfolds in the pages of Joe Torosian’s first novel. With high school football at its core, the story of Dale Andrade shows how a young man grows in all aspects of his life thanks to being a part of a team and a football community.”
“This is a great read for everyone: from those who love high school football to those who have no idea about the game.”
“This book brings you onto the field and into the locker room…”
Joe Torosian’s high school football novel is available through –click pic–
(Cover by Pat Cherry

I guess along with bad seats, drunken Los Angeles Rams fans can also be considered those of the “Horseshoe Variety”…

Only speaking from personal experience but in my other line as a Pastor when people of faith come to me and say they’re struggling spiritually, I ask them how their prayer life is.

Meaning, if you are going to live as a Christian you need to spend time in prayer. Duh.

Now before “Vinman”/”Joe Pulitzer”/“FridayKnights” come after me for preaching in my column…hold on…I’m getting to a point here. The most obvious thing is, which does not require a Masters of Divinity from Fuller Seminary, is if your prayer life sucks then your spiritual life is going to suck.

That’s 123 words to make this point: When serving beer/alcohol at a sporting event without any serious limits or restrictions…people will turn into morons…and you get drunken brawls.


Then you get the media, press and social, trying to figure out why there’s violence at sporting events. Why are people getting into fights at the Coliseum?

The answer is simple, the most simple to all social questions, turn off the tap and you shut down the brawls.

If a family of four wants to go to a Rams game this season between tickets, parking, and food you’re talking $800 to $1,000 on the conservative side. Why would anyone invest that…just to sit next to a bunch of drunks?

Give me the RamCave…I’ve got great parking, great seats, and no line for the bathroom. I even have an in with the people running the snack bar.


Did you know Burbank has not defeated Monrovia since 1980? Unless you count the 2015 opener when the Bulldogs beat the Wildcats, 38-20.

But that game was erased by forfeit…and M-Town got the win…What do you think of forfeits?

I’ve made this argument before…why should a clerical error or a player who didn’t see any action (but may have been in uniform) delete the results of 48-minutes on the field?

Now if the kid scored six touchdowns in a 49-0 win over Keppel…then let it rip. But to punish everybody for a screw up…please?


You heard it hear first…The New York Mets will be in the playoffs. Lock it up!

Oh, I guess that sounds crazy…Kind of like the Los Angeles Dodgers holding on to first place in the National League West with Kenta Maeda, Ross Stripling, and Julio Urias headlining the pitching staff.


Is it just me or does it seem like there are more and more left-handed quarterbacks these days?


So if you’re a batter and you make it to the big leagues and get a hit off of Cincinnati Reds’ pitcher Cody Reed…does it really count? I mean isn’t that like saying you got a hit off former Los Angeles Dodgers’ starter Carlos Perez?

Isn’t that like saying most Hollywood celebrities are supporting Hillary Clinton in November?

Isn’t that like saying when people get drunk fights tend to start?


Just so everyone is aware…the Rams have not drafted a lot of quarterbacks in the first round…Since the start of the common draft era, they’ve only taken Sam Bradford (2010) and now Jared Goff. Prior to this, they took Bill Munson (Utah State, 1964), Terry Baker (Oregon State, 1963), and Roman Gabriel (North Carolina State, 1962). In 1949 they drafted Bobby Thomasson (Virginia Military Institute), who threw 12 passes for the team that season before becoming a three-time Pro Bowl selection with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Of all these players the only who shined was Gabriel…but, it took four years and the ability to survive two number one picks (Munson & Baker) before he became the starting quarterback for good.

I want Goff to succeed…I want him to throw for 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns…but it’s going to take time, Gabriel at least had some linemen blocking for him.

Will Los Angeles, management, the offensive line, and the media give Goff four years to develop?

I think, I’d like a little more arrogance out of him.

LL Cool J once said, “I need love.” So do these teams based on the last time they had a winning season.

Alhambra: The Moors have not had a winning season since imploding on itself after 2011.

Arcadia: The Apaches have not been on the right side of the ledger in terms of wins & losses since the last ride of Jon Dimalante in 2011. Their absence from the playoffs the last four years is the longest stretch without a post-season date since the 1960’s when they missed the CIF ball from 1964 through 1969. That stretch includes a 7-1-1 record in 1965 that left them on the outside looking in because they tied Montebello (20-20) and lost to Monrovia (12-6) in Pacific League play.

Mt. View: The Vikings have not had a winning season since 1997 (the last time they made the playoffs). What’s interesting is that in 1998, View started 3-0-1…But an October 9 loss to La Puente seems to have cursed the program and they’ve never recovered.

Temple City: The Rams have not had a winning season since Anthony White’s pitstop in 2009, but that 5-4-1 record wasn’t enough to earn a playoff birth. The program returned to the playoffs in 2010 & 2012 but did not finish with a winning record. This is the school’s longest stretch ever without a winning football team. From 1955 through 1959 (the first five seasons) school did not post a winning record. Then in 1960 there was Hitchcock and things you could count on.


Midbits (same as ‘Tidbits’)
Midbits: “I can never trust a woman who changes football teams with every new dude she gets with.”—Former Arroyo quarterback (2003-2005) Dominic Salmon.

Midbits: Really looking forward to seeing Hard Knocks tonight…Of course, Peterson says he’s always looking forward to seeing Hard Knocks…I said, really? He said, S’il vous plaît!

Midbits: “First they love you, then they hate you, then they love you again.”—Tavon Austin

Midbits: “Somewhere along the way the blogs have to evolve…right? Opinions are like elbows, everybody has two…and we’re trying to sharpen ours a bit.”—Joe T. in Fanview on this day back in 2011.

Midbits: “Joe, just read your book this weekend! Great job! I will be recommending it to all the dads at my son’s school. You captured something special!”—Former Arcadia fullback Jim Jakeway


New York Mets: 94
Los Angeles Dodgers: 14
San Francisco Giants: 12
Los Angeles Angels: 8
Quick Pitch (Watney/Ryan): 72

The Dude abides…


Psalm 122:1

Contact Joe at

Author of “Tangent Dreams: A High School Football Novel” available through …and “The Dead Bug Tales” available this fall.

Follow Joe on Twitter @joet13b

“Joe T.’s Scoreboard” is found at every Wednesday & in the hard copy of the Mid Valley News, published every Wednesday.

18 Comments to "Fanview: August 23, 2016"

  1. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    August 25, 2016 - 9:15 am | Permalink

    Abusive programs is a total moron, don’t even get into it with this clown. CIF would never do that, it’s the dumbest idea ever!

  2. LM Dad's Gravatar LM Dad
    August 25, 2016 - 9:05 am | Permalink

    To Abusive Programs:

    First of all I must correct you. Let’s start with 2011 – semifinal exit, 2012 – 2nd round exit, 2013 and 2014 – 1st round exits and you conveniently don’t want to talk about 2015 which we all know ended up in a state championship. Were we disappointed by these early exits? Yes, we were, but we, and by we I mean alumni, LM residents, parents, still support this program. As far as playing at the highest levels? Whatever. Any team that wins a state championship should congratulated and applauded. To win 6 games against quality opponents is no easy task. besides what other local team has reached these heights? La Habra perhaps.

    All of us here in the City of La Mirada know who you are. Yes, you come here under different pseudonyms but one fact is clear is how much you hate La Mirada Football because they don’t want to do things your way. I’ve put several children through the youth programs here and while we have quality teams your imprint has keep our programs from truly excelling because it is all about you. Now that you and your cronies are reaching a point where are being replaced perhaps our city will move into the 21st century.

  3. Abusive Programs's Gravatar Abusive Programs
    August 24, 2016 - 10:25 pm | Permalink

    By way of correcting the fellow from La Mirada, it is a matter of record that under head coach Mike Moschetti, the La Mirada Matadores lost their first-round games to Santa Fe, Muir and Salesian in the years 2012, 2013 and 2014 respectively. If you are claiming that the current coaching staff is different, I understand that assistants come and go constantly, but does this mean those consecutive one-and-dones were not under Mike’s watch?
    Also, your claim that the CIF and state titles were won “at the highest level” is not justified, as La Mirada plays in a division far below that of the southland’s top programs. It has been my pleasure to pinpoint this data for you, as I’m sure you didn’t mean to intentionally mislead anyone.

  4. @Abusive Programs's Gravatar @Abusive Programs
    August 24, 2016 - 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Lol you really don’t get it, do you? Vinnie Lopez got a higher paying job because he is in a higher paying district. His team also placed 4th in league on 2015 so I guess he has another 2 years before he is fired and moves on to a lower competitive league in another district.

    Not all coaches face the same problems. You never address school demographics, enrollment or total population rates/overall numbers. Also, some head coaches aren’t able to have a great or even good staff because there isn’t enough money to keep good coaches around. A good staff makes a world of difference but if the money or teaching positions aren’t there most coaches will look elsewhere.

    Your stance on coaches and motivation is laughable. I’ve known pleanty of positive and great motivators/ideal role models that are unable to get to that third place spot for several reasons – none of them having to do with their motivational efforts.

    Do me a favor, go coach football for a high school for 3 seasons and see how well you can run the program. Report back to me with all your notes and we’ll crap all over it. Actually no one would have to really say anything… your 0-10 record every year would speak for itself.

  5. @AbusivePrograms's Gravatar @AbusivePrograms
    August 24, 2016 - 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Under the current coaching staff La Mirada has never lost 3 yrs in a row in the first round of the playoffs. in 8 years they have won a CIF Championship and State Championship. That’s averaging a Championship at the highest level every four years.

  6. SGV23's Gravatar SGV23
    August 24, 2016 - 11:27 am | Permalink

    Is MVS releasing some final league standing predictions?

    From MVS Staff: We probably won’t do league predictions but look out soon for a preseason Mid Valley Writers Poll!

  7. Abusive Programs's Gravatar Abusive Programs
    August 24, 2016 - 10:33 am | Permalink

    In response to the love letter sent me, I’ll say that if a coach gets his “butt handed to him” in the playoffs, that’s OK…in fact, it got Vinnie Lopez a higher-paying job. Prior to last year, Mike Moschetti got tossed in the first round three consecutive years and all was well. My proposed CIF rule would only require these cellar-dwelling teams to finish THIRD in a group of six teams ONCE every three years. If a coach really is a “terrific motivator”, yet is unable to overcome the same problems faced by every other coach sufficient to get that third-place ring in three tries, it’s probably because he’s really a TERRIBLE motivator…and terrible motivators need to be fired.

  8. Still Hurt's Gravatar Still Hurt
    August 24, 2016 - 6:17 am | Permalink

    Hey colt what’s your problem with Monrovia? That’s the second or third time I hear you mention them. Please don’t tell me you are still hurt over that @** whoopin the Wildcats put on your little colts in 2011. Dude we don’t play them this season get over it. And also, get off Burbank and arcadias jock they can care less about you.

  9. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    August 24, 2016 - 6:04 am | Permalink

    Temple city cannot win for the same reason why Gabrielino and Rosemead can’t win , geographics and low count on kids attending those schools, Gab is a small school and it looks like 80% asian which maybe 1 or 2 players only. these schools have kids who prefer to play tennis, Temple City pop warner is ” everybody plays ” “lets have fun” mentality , so the good athletic kids bounce to other programs then they follow friends to other High Schools , sorry I forgot Marshall I dare any coach even your beloved Sinsinger from Arroyo to go to Marshall and try to win with their 20 man roster and all about the size of Jr High kids. at Arroyo he gets 100 kids trying out for the team, their counter part Rosemead gets 40 and are usually competitive, except this year they have no QBs or LBs

  10. Patience, please's Gravatar Patience, please
    August 23, 2016 - 10:54 pm | Permalink

    (Arcadia has only missed the playoffs for three years now, not four. They had a first round defeat to La Mirada in 2012 to go 4-7).

  11. Patience, please's Gravatar Patience, please
    August 23, 2016 - 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Sometimes it takes awhile to win. Bill Belichick’s first five seasons as a head coach were mostly awful, though he did make the playoffs in his fourth year. Tom Landry took a long time to get going. He wound up working out ok.

    Sometimes a good coach doesn’t win right away. Sometimes a mediocre coach needs time to learn to be good. Sometimes there are factors out of his control. Taking a job at half of the RHL schools is a tough assignment, with two programs already so powerful. Taking the job at Blair is a lot worse than that.

    And I could be wrong, but somehow I doubt that there is such a reserve of great coaches waiting in the wings, missing their opportunities because lousy coaches get to stay in jobs forever.

  12. @Abusive Programs's Gravatar @Abusive Programs
    August 23, 2016 - 9:42 pm | Permalink

    If a team makes the playoffs and gets their butts handed to them thats ok??? What if a team has a school with low numbers (less athletes in general) and simply can’t compete with other schools that are illegally recruiting? That’s all on the coaching staff? What if the head coach is a terrific motivator and an inspiring model citizen but because of poor talent, demographics or a season riddled with injuries, prevents his team from making the playoffs? What then?

    Your logic is faulty. Come up with a better plan in a three day period before you’re terminated, jackass.

  13. Joe Pulitzer's Gravatar Joe Pulitzer
    August 23, 2016 - 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Amen brother: You preach all you want as I know prayer works and that sometimes the Lord says no. I just got a little jealous when Jim called your book basically timeless,epic and maybe headed for the last great American novel status. All the while I’m trying to think up greeting card puns and fortune cookie predictions.

  14. Colt74's Gravatar Colt74
    August 23, 2016 - 5:47 pm | Permalink

    I think the Arcadia and Burbank fans will be pleased this season. Monrovia in the season opener against Burbank….not so much.

  15. August 23, 2016 - 5:04 pm | Permalink

    I’m also a big fan of Jim Jakeway. Good coach, great father, literary critic…class act all the way.

  16. Coach Abc's Gravatar Coach Abc
    August 23, 2016 - 4:17 pm | Permalink

    That’s a stupid solution…
    I bet you’re not a coach are you, you’re probably some helicopter parent. The administration is more responsible for losing season than any coach. Hold them accountable and you’ll see better coaches and more support, there’s a reason the same programs win year after year…

  17. Abusive Programs's Gravatar Abusive Programs
    August 23, 2016 - 1:14 pm | Permalink

    It’s odd that we all have little tolerance for abuse of children, animals, transgenders and so forth, but it’s apparently OK for something similar to go on in the chronically lousy football programs. I find it disgusting that the kids at these underperforming schools put in all the hard work and yet, because of bad coaching and no administrative support, almost none of them get to see what it feels like to finish even 5-5. The solution is a CIF mandate whereby a coach who fails to qualify for the playoffs within a three-year period is automatically terminated. I do favor Torosian’s suggestion to pay these guys like teachers, but short of that, this three-year leash would also work.

  18. CoachBG's Gravatar CoachBG
    August 23, 2016 - 11:25 am | Permalink

    Jim Janeway just said that cause he thought you’d write an article on him like you did Arroyo’s HC.

    From Joe T.: I don’t know who Jim Janeway is…and I didn’t write an article on Arroyo’s HC…Personally, I hate feature stories…Boring…The Arroyo HC wrote the review himself…So try to be nice…You’re always calling me fat and other things…I understand its difficult being a Dodgers fan and unable to see your team. 🙂

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