CIF Division 12 Poll

Miguel Aguero and the Schurr Spartans are #2 in the CIF Division 12 Poll

CIF Division 12 Poll as of September 11

1. Rancho Christian

2. Schurr

3. Godinez

4. Big Bear

5. Santa Ana

6. South El Monte

7. Marina

8. Ontario

9. Santa Maria

10. Colton

29 Comments to "CIF Division 12 Poll"

  1. Spartan1980's Gravatar Spartan1980
    September 18, 2017 - 8:49 pm | Permalink

    I would like to comment on what “2006” stated about the CIF Championship in 2006. The team in 1980 played Serra High School from Gardena in the finals and we beat them. Their team had 7 players that stated on PAC-10 Teams, which included 2 starters at USC. Sorry we also beat Serra in the 1st round of the playoffs in 1979. Our QB and Receiver lead the CIF in passing and receiving. Sorry this current Schurr team does not have it.

  2. ?'s Gravatar ?
    September 15, 2017 - 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Who is Jude Oliva.? Never heard of him. Is he that ex Alabama coach?

  3. To many cheifs not enough indians's Gravatar To many cheifs not enough indians
    September 15, 2017 - 8:21 am | Permalink

    Schurr Matadors “You Know!’

  4. King Leonidas's Gravatar King Leonidas
    September 14, 2017 - 1:36 pm | Permalink

    hey i was at the game vs Arroyo
    our boys werent ready to play… they came out flat and had alot of penalties which cost them any possible momentum. Elias is still doing great things over here and i cant blame him or any of the coaches for the L. lets bounce back and get a W this week!

  5. Gruden's Grinder's Gravatar Gruden's Grinder
    September 14, 2017 - 1:03 pm | Permalink

    @area spectator
    Ya you’re right it doesn’t matter who’s in the box, it’s the play of thof field that wins games! The coaching staff on both arroyo and Schurr were great, Schurr should show their true colors after Friday night. You can always tell what a teams character is after a loss.

  6. Hacienda's Gravatar Hacienda
    September 14, 2017 - 10:35 am | Permalink

    Diamond Rach by 35+ way too much size and speed

    South Hills goes in Hacienda next year would beat Arroyo by 35+

    Chino is Huge! Another blowout

    West Covina is down this year but normally would beat Arroyo by 50

    Arroyo has zero advantages over these teams. Arroyo struggled the last 2 years with mediocre Covina teams

  7. Area Spectator's Gravatar Area Spectator
    September 14, 2017 - 8:09 am | Permalink

    @ SHS the time when the coach upstairs can make a difference is when the person upstairs is the one calling plays. If not, then their presence up there is hardly felt. Or if the person in charge is giving the people upstairs very specific duties to assist the play caller. Most of the time people are up there though they are just watching the game if there is no specific plan in place. Obviously for someone like Elias, having Oliva up there can be a good thing. However, the Arroyo and Cal game are a perfect example of it doesn’t matter who is in the box!

  8. Almont Guru's Gravatar Almont Guru
    September 13, 2017 - 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Yes I do. Ive been around this league going back to the Whitmont and Ive seen what good coaches can do. Newell, Elvin Dick, Rhine, and yes…even Oliva. Coaches can make a difference.

  9. SouthSider's Gravatar SouthSider
    September 13, 2017 - 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Gabrielino in the Almont over SEM ?

  10. September 13, 2017 - 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Aside from Los Altos who else in that league is beating Arroyo?
    Already stated minus CO.

  11. cif's Gravatar cif
    September 13, 2017 - 4:24 pm | Permalink

    And Friday Knights talk’s about other School’s. Arroyo’s days are numbered.

  12. Really?'s Gravatar Really?
    September 13, 2017 - 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Poor, Poor Arroyo! No talent coming in! It’s all drying up! Really, you are already making excuses. Your freshman teams in the last 5 years have only lost 3/4 league games by a total of 6 points. Your varsity staff is worth at least 10 times that many points in a season. What is happening to the poor Knights. You can’t steal any more Rivera’s from Mtn. View? Your school has always and will always get the FOOTBALL players unless something drastic happens. You know, like coaches get canned for, What should I say? Or maybe this year you get to host a CIF State Championship. But wait, it’s in December don’t they have a Sadie Hawkins or a winter formal dance to put on? How about your new coaches can’t bring in any more son’s to be the big fish in the little pond. You should go to the Pacific, Hacienda or the new Suburban league next year for a decade or two. I feel for you! Boo Hoo.

  13. SHS's Gravatar SHS
    September 13, 2017 - 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Almont guru…’s a random question..Do you think coaches in the press box make a difference?

  14. Pac 5 Scout's Gravatar Pac 5 Scout
    September 13, 2017 - 12:26 pm | Permalink

    If Arroyo were to be moved up they would become irrelevant come play off time. That is what has happened to Monrovia,San Dimas,Pomona and many other once proud programs. Only fun in that is being able to bash them on there way down.

  15. September 13, 2017 - 11:44 am | Permalink

    Gabrielino SEM Marshall don’t have the enrollment to compete in the Almont Schurr Montebello SG are 3000+ kids Arroyo 2500. SEM MTV Gab are 1200 kids.
    I agree Schurr should be in Division 10 as should we.

  16. Sg insider's Gravatar Sg insider
    September 13, 2017 - 11:29 am | Permalink

    I like knight riders bracket , I SECOND THAT, then teams that have high enrollment and potential, like sg or sem or any of these schools, can get a chance to move to the improved almost almont, and schools with low enrollment or possible program downfall can move down to the inferior league and so on. Seems good

  17. Area Spectator's Gravatar Area Spectator
    September 13, 2017 - 11:03 am | Permalink

    I like the new league that KnightRider suggested. But no Gabrielino in the top league, switch them to the bottom with SEM

  18. Mr. Objective's Gravatar Mr. Objective
    September 13, 2017 - 10:53 am | Permalink

    Thank you Almont Guru.

  19. Almont Guru's Gravatar Almont Guru
    September 13, 2017 - 7:01 am | Permalink

    Schurr should be at least Division 10, they have athletes and have had success in the playoffs the past two seasons. The Arroyo game was three things (and yes I was there to watch); first, the players were not mentally prepared to play. You could see it during warm-ups. They came off a BIG win over Garfield and probably thought they were going to roll Arroyo. Second, Arroyo is good! They are a program year in and year out that you know will compete every day and on every play. Third, Schurr was out-coached. No if, ands, or buts about it. Ramos and staff need to regroup, Schurr will be fine and make a run at the Almont (still favored) and should win a Division 12 CIF championship.

  20. KnightRider's Gravatar KnightRider
    September 13, 2017 - 12:32 am | Permalink

    I think a Almont and MVL shake up would be nice.


    El Monte

    Put Marshall somewhere else. Haha

  21. September 12, 2017 - 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Arroyo would do well in in the V.V or the Almont. Wouldn’t do well because after this year the talent is gone and all you have left is a school on the verge of closing down due to low enrollment numbers. I’m all for taking us and Rosemead out and place us in the Almont or the new league I was referring to. Monrovia San Marino Temple City Arcadia Arroyo Rosemead
    I think the Hacienda would be to much
    Maybe Arroyo and Rosemead to the Del Rio?

  22. Mr. Objective's Gravatar Mr. Objective
    September 12, 2017 - 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Hey Gruden,

    Yes, I judge Schurr for their “no show” vs Arroyo. As I recall last year, after their playoff loss to Arroyo, the Spartan Nation offered many excuses for their loss. “If it wasn’t for this, if it wasn’t for that, next year we’ll be ready, next year Arroyo better watch out.”

    Well, next year came, and it got worse for Schurr. This outcome was very disturbing. I am being heavily critical of Schurr not for their loss, but for their disappointing showing in the rematch “showdown.” Was this not a “showdown?” I know they’re more capable than their performance vs Arroyo. I know they are a good football team. I know they will win CIF. I just don’t understand the letdown. Were the players not up for this game? Are the Schurr coaches significantly inferior than Arroyo’s? What was the meaning of this? Not much was said. I hear crickets.

    Unless, of course, their justification reads “All Hail Arroyo.”

    Schurr will be fine moving forward, but as competitors, their attitude better not be “just let it go.” For the time being, things better be uncomfortable in the locker room, on the field, at home, with their girlfriends, whatever. Well, at least that should be their mentality until they are able to rise up for their next challenge, because whatever mindset they adopted heading into the last two showdowns vs Arroyo should be revised.

  23. 2006's Gravatar 2006
    September 12, 2017 - 11:04 pm | Permalink

    In the midst of all the speculation concerning Schurr’s chances at CIF glory this year, let’s not forget to pay tribute to what this program achieved in 2006. That season, the Spartans knocked-off LA HABRA in the semis, and then dominated a Chiefs team that was probably the best in the history of Santa Fe High School. This all happened in the old division 7, before the computers started deciding who should be grouped with whom. I’d like to speak directly to the current Schurr players and tell them that if the ’06 group could hang with competition like that, you guys can absolutely bring home the crown this year. I wish you guys every shred of luck possible toward that title.

  24. Really?'s Gravatar Really?
    September 12, 2017 - 10:58 pm | Permalink

    So, as Mr. Objective has pointed out, which by the way is true. It can be easier to win a CIF Title than a league title. What does this show? To me, it shows the inadequacies of the school administrations, AD’s, press corps, and most of all C.I.F. to level out the playing field. Take out Arroyo, put them in Valley Vista, and then place SEM and Rosemead to the Almonte League. Take out Keppel, and San Gabriel from the Almonte add them to Mission Valley. The leagues will be eventually competing in the correct divisions of CIF in their leagues and be more competitive. Then League titles mean more and CIF Titles are a plus. If you recruit better players into your area and team your reward is a new league and division every 2 years.

  25. Mr. Objective's Gravatar Mr. Objective
    September 12, 2017 - 10:27 pm | Permalink

    I need to get a clue? Lol

    You think I’m wrong? Well, let’s see, answer these questions:

    Will it be easier for Schurr to win the Almont League than it will to win the CIF title?

    Will it be easier for South El Monte to win the Mission Valley League than it will to win the CIF title?

    Will it be easier for Damien to win the Baseline League than it will to win the CIF title?

    Will it be easier for Roosevelt to win the Big VIII than to win the CIF title?

    These are just a few examples of many. The point I have made is that we now live in an era where it’s more challenging to win your league than it is to win CIF. Does this observation characterize me as clueless?

  26. September 12, 2017 - 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Speaking from experience Schurr had a bad game, But they are a solid team and just looking at D12 should be a top 4 team along with SEM and Ranch Christian maybe even Ontario

  27. Spartan Alum's Gravatar Spartan Alum
    September 12, 2017 - 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Mr Objective……hold on Tonto, theses are simple “polls”. Its only week 3 a lot can happen in the next 7 weeks. You are correct We did get beat. Hats off to Arroyo…..good team and staff. It happens.

  28. Gruden's Grinder's Gravatar Gruden's Grinder
    September 12, 2017 - 7:19 pm | Permalink

    You’re judging a team by one game? Shows you’re really objective! Any team can lose or win any Friday night. Schurr got beat fair and square but they are still a solid team. I recall arroyo getting beat in week 4 last year and still going on to win CIF. Division 11 and 12 are prob the closes division to the same skill levels. Get a clue

  29. Mr. Objective's Gravatar Mr. Objective
    September 12, 2017 - 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Gotta love the new division format. You can get pummelled by Arroyo and say, “Hey, we may not be ready for the big time, but at least we’re going to win CIF.” Times have definitely changed. The new era has arrived, where it can be easier to win a CIF title than it is to win your league.

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