Mid Valley Scoreboard: CIF Playoffs Round 2

Steven “Bubba” Munoz and the South Hills Huskies run into the Division 6 Semis with a win over Mira Costa.

CIF Southern Section Playoff scores from around the Mid Valley area:

Division III

Sierra Canyon 62,  Moorpark 21

Cajon 76,  Paraclete 40

Citrus Hills 35,  Downey 28

 Division V

St. Paul 34,  La Serna 30

Glendora 48,  Apple Valley 33

 Division VI

South Hills 34,  Mira Costa 16

 Division VII

Northview 21,  Warren 7

 Division VIII

Kaiser 28,  San Dimas 6

 Division IX

North Torrance 33,  San Marino 28

Beaumont 20, Pasadena 17

 Division X

El Rancho 56,  Knight 52

Bonita 45,  Hillcrest 40

 Division XI

Peninsula 58,  Pomona 13

 Division XII

Xavier Prep 24,  Nogales 21

Linfield Christian 69, Bell Gardens 33

 Division XIII

El Monte 57,  Fairmont Prep 14

Garey 41,  St. Bernard 32

28 Comments to "Mid Valley Scoreboard: CIF Playoffs Round 2"

  1. Ron Vrooman, AHS stat man's Gravatar Ron Vrooman, AHS stat man
    November 15, 2018 - 1:28 am | Permalink

    @ ? & More Options: Your attempts at parody are pretty lame, to be honest, and they don’t even come close to what I was talking about or stand for.
    I believe the idea of creating larger leagues (and therefore having fewer leagues) has merit. It doesn’t have anything to do with making the road to the playoffs easier for Alhambra or any other school.
    I clearly stated my opinion that there are too many teams making the playoffs under the current system. How is that favoring Alhambra? Doesn’t anyone care about the quality of play? There are way too many first-round blowouts.
    And, why should teams be playing anywhere from five to seven nonleague games during a 10-game regular season, if everything comes down to performance in league?
    Overall records would be more meaningful if they were more heavily weighted with league games. That’s the way it used to be.
    These are legitimate “big-picture” issues which relate to all of our high school football programs, and not just Alhambra’s.
    But, I suppose it’s easier for some people to troll than to contribute to a useful discussion. You must be frustrated comedy writers.

  2. ?'s Gravatar ?
    November 14, 2018 - 9:40 pm | Permalink

    Alhambra kicked butt in 7 on 7 this summer. Maybe Alhambra should play 8 man football or flag.

  3. More Options's Gravatar More Options
    November 14, 2018 - 7:05 pm | Permalink

    How about having league opponents square-off twice in each season? If that’s not enough to get Alhambra into the playoffs, maybe the commissioner can let the Moors borrow a win or two from the previous season, or include a 7-0n-7 victory, since all wins count the same. I tell you flat-out: I want Ron to be jubilant about the Moors, and for that, we need to remove all barriers of normalcy.

  4. NWO's Gravatar NWO
    November 14, 2018 - 1:37 pm | Permalink

    I agree with Ron, there should be more league games.

  5. Ron Vrooman, AHS stat man's Gravatar Ron Vrooman, AHS stat man
    November 13, 2018 - 10:35 pm | Permalink

    @ Lost Count: Obviously, league wins are more valuable than nonleague wins. That has always been the case, and I get it. But, as I said before, that wasn’t what I was talking about.
    Maybe I was at fault for not being clear enough, so I’ll try this: “Football games can be won in a variety of ways, and Alhambra’s 8-2 season is a case in point.”
    We attained that record not only because of the passing attack which we developed along the way—with a freshman quarterback—but also because of strong play by our defense and special teams.
    Alhambra scored eight “non-offensive” touchdowns in 10 games this season; those TD’s came on four “pick-sixes,” a scoop-and-score, two kickoff returns, and a punt return.
    We also had a punter (Raul Cortez) who was proficient at placing the ball inside our opponents’ 20-yard line, which helped in our battles for field position.
    Our defense made nearly all of the stops it needed to; the end of the Schurr game was the one crucial exception. (Turnovers were decisive in our loss to Bell Gardens.)
    The defense and special teams stepped up time and again. Without them, we wouldn’t have gone 8-2. All aspects of the game are important and should not be overlooked.

    Concerning the need to reduce the number of leagues and CIF playoff divisions, I actually favor only three teams making the playoffs out of eight-team leagues (such as the Pacific League).
    But, it would all depend on how the numbers work out, and/or how many rounds everyone wants the playoffs to go.
    Roughly half of the football teams in the CIF Southern Section have made the playoffs every year since the late 1970’s. I believe that allowing so many teams into the post-season has typically diluted the quality of play, certainly in the first round.
    So, in answer to your comment, I’m not seeking an easier path for Alhambra or any other school. It should be hard; getting into the playoffs is a privilege that must be earned.
    And, teams shouldn’t be playing five to seven nonleague games in a season. Something is clearly wrong with this setup; is anyone with me on this?

    Gentlemen, I appreciate your passion for high school football; more people should care about our schools as well as the athletic programs and other extracurricular activities that they sponsor.
    We all want our young people to succeed in their studies and to have opportunities to excel in athletic competition, if they choose to participate in sports. It’s all about them.

  6. Lost Count's Gravatar Lost Count
    November 13, 2018 - 11:17 am | Permalink

    I DID take Vrooman’s comment at “face value.” He said, as if it were the eleventh commandment, that “all wins count the same, no matter how you get them.” With that universal truth in tow, a guy might conclude that a preseason win is equal to a state title game victory. That’s taking his statement at “face value”, without any special mind-reading ability.

    As for Vrooman’s suggestion about packing the leagues so that fourth-place teams can have the prestige of being a playoff team, go for it. That isn’t going to make the Moors any better; it fact, it may make them slack-off a bit, realizing that a playoff invite is going to be easy. Nothing worthwhile in this life is easy, so good luck trying to make it so.

  7. Ron Vrooman, AHS stat man's Gravatar Ron Vrooman, AHS stat man
    November 12, 2018 - 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Yes, both of you are right about the overriding importance of league games. I’ve always been aware of it. The point I was making—one that you apparently missed—is that football games can be won in a variety of ways. It’s not all about offense.
    By the way, I actually came right out and said that “we’ll just have to take it a step or two farther next year,” meaning Alhambra has to do better in league. I was fairly clear there, and it’s a fact that shouldn’t be a mystery to anyone.
    I believe it’s best to take other people’s remarks at face value most of the time, without reading into them things which were not intended.

    While we’re at it, we should talk about the idea of reducing the number of leagues and playoff divisions in the CIF Southern Section. Teams should play six or seven league games during a 10-game regular season.
    In my opinion, we should have more eight-team leagues such as the Pacific League. Then, a team’s overall record would be more meaningful, since it would be more heavily weighted with league games. We would also have fewer teams getting into the playoffs with overall records that are below .500.
    Currently, there are some teams that play only three or four league games in a season, which is ridiculous. CIF, and its member schools, should be able to come up with a system that would be better than the one we have now.

    I hope everyone enjoys the rest of the football season.

  8. ?'s Gravatar ?
    November 12, 2018 - 7:37 pm | Permalink

    When a person talks too much a person often puts his foot in his mouth. The Alhambra educators most recent post is one of the dumbest I have ever read.

  9. Lost Count's Gravatar Lost Count
    November 12, 2018 - 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but if Alhambra had posted just ONE more of those 8 wins against a league opponent, it wouldn’t have “counted the same.” It would have put the Moors into the playoffs. Many of this year’s playoff teams posted worse records than Alhambra, but made the postseason. Why ? Their wins didn’t all “count the same.”

  10. Ron Vrooman, AHS stat man's Gravatar Ron Vrooman, AHS stat man
    November 11, 2018 - 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Alhambra’s recently-concluded season illustrates two important principles in football:
    1) All wins count the same, no matter how you get them.
    2) The importance of defense and special teams; those units carried us for several weeks until our passing attack really got rolling.
    No game was out of reach for us, thanks to a defense that gave up an average of only two touchdowns a game.
    AHS struggled when it came to running the ball, so that’s one area where we have to improve.
    The league victory over Montebello was a welcome change from the usual narrative; we’ll just have to take it a step or two farther next year.
    An 8-2 record provides a good foundation to build on. Time will tell whether it’s the start of something big. In the meantime, we’ll continue to approach our games one at a time.

  11. OC's Gravatar OC
    November 11, 2018 - 4:14 pm | Permalink

    @Hot Rod
    Beaumont isn’t a High powered team. Mediocre at best. They lost to 4 good teams, Palm Desert..San Jacinto who is in the playoffs, Hemet who is in the playoffs and Citrus Hill….Who is expected to be in a state championship game. Beaumont Barely made the playoffs. The were an at large team that made it. Pasadena just got outcoached by Stienberg. That’s the truth.

  12. With Special Concern's Gravatar With Special Concern
    November 11, 2018 - 10:32 am | Permalink

    I remember that season in which CV was denied, and agree that the Falcons deserved a spot in the postseason, and indeed would have made waves had they been given a berth. The controversy surrounding that exclusion was heated, as well it should have been. I cannot, however, see a parallel between that injustice and the situation which obtains with this year’s Alhambra team.

    Sure, the Moors compiled an 8-2 record, but the value of many of those wins is dubious. The seminal point in Alhambra’s season, the occurrence which revealed the most, was that loss to lowly Schurr. Indeed, Bergstrom’s squad showed much the same lethargy of previous years against an obviously down league, so there they stood exposed. And that’s why nobody outside of a few diehards were indignant over the postseason denial. The feeling was: Alhambra wasn’t going to do anything in the playoffs anyway.

    Regarding our good friend Ron, I’m sure I speak for all when I say it was wonderful to have him back for a few words, as his presence never fails to raise our hopes and spirits. Over the years, he has certainly caused me to temper my comments in a way that shows increased sensitivity for the feelings of others.

  13. Old Titan's Gravatar Old Titan
    November 10, 2018 - 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Very tough loss for San Marino. I was not at the game, but following along on Twitter, it seemed like they were bit by big play after big play. After going up one by a two point conversion, it seemed they had clinched a hard fought W. But North was able to drive back down and score with 7 seconds left. Brutal.

    Still a great season for the Titans and possibly Hobbie’s last. Thank you for all that you’ve done with that program and I hope it will be able to find success after him.

  14. Take Heart, Alhambra's Gravatar Take Heart, Alhambra
    November 10, 2018 - 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Five years ago, CV went 8-2 and finished in a three-way tie for second place with the two Burbank schools (each with a 5-2 record; it was the last time that John Muir would sweep the Pacific League). They lost a coin toss among the tied teams, and then did not get selected as the Southeast Division at-large team (I think it went to West Covina). A year later, they went 14-0 and won a CIF championship.

  15. Ron Vrooman, AHS stat man's Gravatar Ron Vrooman, AHS stat man
    November 10, 2018 - 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Ah, yes, “With Special Concern:” Alhambra went 8-2 this season, which is the Moors’ best record in seven years. Through a quirk of fate, that wasn’t quite good enough for us to make the playoffs, but we’ll get after it again next year.
    By the way, the same thing happened to Nogales a couple of seasons ago, and the Nobles bounced right back. We have every intention of doing that, too.
    I appreciate your concern, but I’m not lonely at all. I have wonderful friends, and my well-being doesn’t hang on the outcome of every game. I’ll be working hard and enjoying life as I look forward to next season. Happy Holidays…

  16. FBFan's Gravatar FBFan
    November 10, 2018 - 4:28 pm | Permalink


    Everything you write is spot on! Coaches get too much credit when the team wins and too much criticism when the team loses…. Sounds like that ER vs Knight game was something else.

  17. Cowboys's Gravatar Cowboys
    November 10, 2018 - 3:03 pm | Permalink

    How about Cajon thumping Paraclete 76-40? I’d bet good coin that most of those 40 points came against second and third-stringers, as a way of soothing the sting of total domination. Jayden Daniels in his own orbit, and his future seems to have no limits.

  18. Anti-private's Gravatar Anti-private
    November 10, 2018 - 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Arcadia has so much talent… blew away the pacific. They’ve been gift wrapped a championship in division 8. Next year they move up to at least division 5 like Burbank. Anything less than a ring is a complete failure with that much talent!

  19. Viking too's Gravatar Viking too
    November 10, 2018 - 2:01 pm | Permalink

    NV your right, sometime’s you could over think a situation. When Warren was not getting penalized they were getting frustrated by the Northview defense play after play.

  20. ?'s Gravatar ?
    November 10, 2018 - 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Pay attention admins and coaches. It’s all about what have you done for me lately. Coach Medrano is the toast of the town today but let him try an onside kick that gets run back for a touchdown next week and it is FIRE THE LOSER. Same people kissing rear today are the ones that were calling for his head after the Pomona game. A lot of great coaches lost yesterday including Knight’s HC who benched his star QB for 95% of the game for disciplinary reasons. That coach is a huge winner too.

  21. Elrancho's Gravatar Elrancho
    November 10, 2018 - 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Those people were disgruntled parents, we all knew what he was going to come in and do, it wasn’t going to be in 1 year, but here we are in year 3 and we’re rolling.

  22. With Special Concern's Gravatar With Special Concern
    November 10, 2018 - 10:31 am | Permalink

    I’d like to announce that there will be a moment of silence tonight at 7 pm to mark the end of commenter LS’s remarks for the 2018 season. MVS has already taken the hit of losing Ron Vrooman for the season, and now this happens….it’s too sad. May God bless both men, and also LS’s 2019 white BMW, as they navigate the lonely waters of the offseason.

  23. NV's Gravatar NV
    November 10, 2018 - 9:52 am | Permalink

    The NV vs Warren game was the ugliest game I seen this year, penalty after penalty. Warren with all the talent laid an egg. They tried to be to cute with all those shifts and motions and got penalty after penalty. The better coached team won that game last night. When you have that kind of talent just line up and play. We saw them line up to run plays on 4th down and quick kick the ball ever 4th down. They screwed that up 80% of the time and the 20% they did it right, penalty. It was like watching a pre-season game with all that confusion.

  24. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    November 10, 2018 - 4:06 am | Permalink

    Adrian Medrano has completely revamped this El Rancho team into a regular contender. People wanted him fired before the season ever even started. But in 3 years, he has won 3 playoff games…. El Rancho has won 5 playoff games in the past 20 years and there is only 1 guy who been involved for all 5. That’s right, Adrian Medrano.

  25. Elrancho's Gravatar Elrancho
    November 10, 2018 - 2:18 am | Permalink

    A complete team effort to pull off this win, #11 Roland from Knight is truly a special player, we didn’t stop him we simply pounded away until he was dead tired from going both ways all night and we were able to finish them off.

  26. Football Fan's Gravatar Football Fan
    November 10, 2018 - 1:43 am | Permalink

    @ERFan That was a damn good game. When it was 31-14 I thought the Dons were done. That #6 and #11 was killing you guys. Dons hung tough and exploited holes in that Hawks defense. Really enjoyed that game.

  27. HOT ROD's Gravatar HOT ROD
    November 10, 2018 - 12:59 am | Permalink

    Pasadena Bulldogs took a high powered Beamont no huddle offense and slowed it to a crawl. PHS scored under a minute left in game to go up 17-14 on 5 yard TD. Beaumont returned KO 48 and seconds later scored a last gasp TD to win 20-17. Everyone doubted PHS, a once dominant program that has come back to compete with top competition. Great job Coach Shamburger and staff. Beaumont is highly favored to win State bowl game by many as its coached by last years CIF D3 champion Jeff Steinberg of Rancho Verde

  28. ER Fan's Gravatar ER Fan
    November 10, 2018 - 12:56 am | Permalink

    Medrano’s El Rancho Dons team is like a magic trick. Look over here we are trailing by 17 no by 3 no look again by 17 no wrong again we are losing by 10. Then a wave of a wand and games over and we win by 4. What? How did you guys do that? All night long it seemed that all we saw was big fast dudes with D1 offers scoring TD’s from all over the place against our tiny defense but at games end ER wins. Crazy right? It’s like Butch Cassidy said to Sundance. Who are those El Rancho guys?

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